guns can't possibly be part of the problem according to the nra. >> the nra, so dedicated to protect the second amendment, willing to sell out the first and many other constitutional amendments we hold deer. >> you talk about this rare, you have newtown across the country when you look at the collective desk. the point where you talk about whether it's arming teachers or gun control or mental illness, you are trying to confront as many pieces of the puz elt as possible. no one solution. one-dimensional conversation only about guns that is a ridiculous conversation it has to be a much broader, but you can't have some barriers to try and prevent some things from happening. >> you hear the cultural divide in the last statement. >> you asked about firefighters. >> they should be armed. and i think roland is right. a multidimensional problem. in 1994 when we passed the assault weapons ban, part of a comprehensive crimes bill. ultimately you have to attack a problem like this from all sides. very difficult when you have a fundamental cultural divide and a big chunk of the country says the